Toppserien (2017)
sábado, 02 septiembre 2017@13:00
Jornada 16
Jornada 16
1er tiempo
28'
39'
2do tiempo
57'
75'
83'
87'
Árbitros del partido
Árbitro
Asistente 1
Asistente 2
Cuarto árbitro
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
1
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
A. Mikalsen
Guardameta
Guardameta
2
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
I. Gausdal
Defensa
Defensa
3
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Nordahl
Defensa
Defensa
22
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
I. Elvebakken
Defensa
Defensa
17
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Haugland
Defensa
Defensa
9
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
T. Pedersen
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
10
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
K. Sævik
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
6
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
N. Lie
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
20
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
T. Pirisi
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
28
![J. Kemppi Juliette Kemppi](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/juliette-kemppi.png)
J. Kemppi
Delantero
Delantero
21
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Klæboe
Delantero
Delantero
Entrenador:
C. Berg-Hansen
Suplentes
12
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Sandnes
Guardameta
Guardameta
16
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
S. Svensson
Defensa
Defensa
8
![S. Gulbrandsen Solveig Gulbrandsen](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/solveig-gulbrandsen.png)
S. Gulbrandsen
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
7
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
C. Hovland
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
19
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Johansen
Delantero
Delantero
15
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Norem
Delantero
Delantero
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
![I. Hjelmseth Ingrid Hjelmseth](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/ingrid-hjelmseth.png)
I. Hjelmseth
Guardameta
Guardameta
7
![T. Rønning Trine Rønning](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/trine-ronning.png)
T. Rønning
Defensa
Defensa
3
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
C. Liane
Defensa
Defensa
13
![S. Grønli Siri Merete Nordeide Grønli](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/siri-merete-nordeide-gronli.png)
S. Grønli
Defensa
Defensa
4
![S. Reinås Stine Pettersen Reinås](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/stine-pettersen-reinas.png)
S. Reinås
Defensa
Defensa
6
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
H. Ellingsen
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
27
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
V. Ludvigsen
Delantero
Delantero
17
![M. Bjånesøy Melissa Bjånesøy](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/melissa-bjanesoy.png)
M. Bjånesøy
Delantero
Delantero
10
![S. Jensen Synne Jensen](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/synne-jensen.png)
S. Jensen
Delantero
Delantero
26
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Kjørum
Delantero
Delantero
9
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
A. Wilmann
Delantero
Delantero
Entrenador:
V. Stefanovic
Suplentes
22
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
F. Bergmann
Guardameta
Guardameta
25
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
S. Pratt
Defensa
Defensa
5
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
S. Bjørneboe
Defensa
Defensa
20
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
R. Mykland
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
2
![Cathrine Dekkerhus Cathrine Høegh Dekkerhus](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/cathrine-hoegh-dekkerhus.png)
Cathrine Dekkerhus
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
18
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
I. Østmo
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
87'
V. Stefanovic (Stabæk) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, Cathrine Dekkerhus ha sustituido a A. Wilmann.
85'
Hay una sustitución. J. Norem (Kolbotn) será de la partida, en sustitución de J. Kemppi.
83'
El árbitro I. Aarland autoriza una sustitución y R. Mykland (Stabæk) reemplazará a S. Jensen.
75'
C. Berg-Hansen (Kolbotn) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, S. Gulbrandsen ha reemplazado a T. Pirisi.
73'
V. Stefanovic (Stabæk) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, S. Pratt ha sustituido a M. Kjørum.
57'
Hay una sustitución. M. Johansen (Kolbotn) será de la partida, en sustitución de J. Klæboe.
39'
GOOOOOOL!!! Stabæk vuelve a marcar con A. Wilmann.
28'
GOOOOOOL!!! Stabæk marca con S. Jensen.
Enfrentamientos
23.03.24
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
2
0
FIN
06.08.22
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
0
1
FIN
18.04.22
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
1
FIN
15.08.21
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
0
1
FIN
19.06.21
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
2
FIN
06.03.20
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
1
1
FIN
21.09.19
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
18.09.19
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
2
0
FIN
25.01.19
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
0
1
FIN
27.10.18
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
1
2
FIN
12.05.18
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
1
FIN
09.02.18
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
1
1
FIN
02.09.17
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
2
FIN
12.05.17
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
2
0
FIN
02.10.16
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
0
0
FIN
* Últimos 15 partidos (si están disponibles) entre ambos.
Enfrentamientos (con Kolbotn como local)
18.04.22
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
1
FIN
19.06.21
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
2
FIN
21.09.19
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
12.05.18
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
1
FIN
02.09.17
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
2
FIN
11.06.16
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
0
FIN
31.10.15
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
1
FIN
11.10.14
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
5
FIN
26.03.14
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
2
FIN
25.05.13
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
4
FIN
28.07.12
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
2
2
FIN
08.09.11
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
TE
1
3
1
1
FIN
30.07.11
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
2
1
FIN
10.04.10
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
1
FIN
07.06.09
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
1
FIN
* Últimos 15 partidos (si están disponibles) entre ambos con Kolbotn como local.
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
General
Local
Visitante
Partidos jugados
33
15 (45.45%)
18 (54.55%)
Ganados
8
4 (50.00%)
4 (50.00%)
Empates
9
3 (33.33%)
6 (66.67%)
Perdidos
16
8 (50.00%)
8 (50.00%)
Goles a favor
25
16 (64.00%)
9 (36.00%)
Goles en contra
53
26 (49.06%)
27 (50.94%)
* Estadísticas de todos los partidos disputados entre ambos, bajo la perspectiva de Kolbotn
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
General
Local
Visitante
Partidos jugados
33
18 (54.55%)
15 (45.45%)
Ganados
16
8 (50.00%)
8 (50.00%)
Empates
9
6 (66.67%)
3 (33.33%)
Perdidos
8
4 (50.00%)
4 (50.00%)
Goles a favor
53
27 (50.94%)
26 (49.06%)
Goles en contra
25
9 (36.00%)
16 (64.00%)
* Estadísticas de todos los partidos disputados entre ambos, bajo la perspectiva de Stabæk
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
General
15.06.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Åsane Åsane](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/asane-2.png)
1
0
FIN
12.06.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
TE
1
0
0
0
FIN
08.06.24
![Rosenborg Rosenborg](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/trondheims-orn.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
3
1
FIN
25.05.24
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
0
2
FIN
20.05.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
2
6
FIN
15.05.24
![Åsane Åsane](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/asane-2.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
1
1
FIN
11.05.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
2
2
FIN
04.05.24
![Lillestrøm Lillestrøm](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lillestrom-2.png)
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
2
1
FIN
27.04.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Arna-Bjørnar Arna-Bjørnar](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/arna-bjornar.png)
4
1
FIN
20.04.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Rosenborg Rosenborg](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/trondheims-orn.png)
0
1
FIN
Local
15.06.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Åsane Åsane](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/asane-2.png)
1
0
FIN
20.05.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
2
6
FIN
11.05.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
2
2
FIN
27.04.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Arna-Bjørnar Arna-Bjørnar](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/arna-bjornar.png)
4
1
FIN
20.04.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Rosenborg Rosenborg](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/trondheims-orn.png)
0
1
FIN
17.03.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Røa Røa](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/roa.png)
2
4
FIN
08.03.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Hønefoss Hønefoss](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/honefoss-3.png)
2
1
FIN
25.02.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
1
2
FIN
10.02.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
1
0
FIN
07.02.24
![Kolbotn Kolbotn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/kolbotn.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
1
2
FIN
* Los últimos 10 partidos de Kolbotn en general y como local.
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
General
15.06.24
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
0
0
FIN
11.06.24
![Øvrevoll Hosle Øvrevoll Hosle](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/ovrevoll-hosle.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
7
FIN
08.06.24
![Røa Røa](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/roa.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
0
FIN
25.05.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
1
FIN
20.05.24
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Åsane Åsane](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/asane-2.png)
3
2
FIN
15.05.24
![Lillestrøm Lillestrøm](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lillestrom-2.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
11.05.24
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Røa Røa](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/roa.png)
1
0
FIN
04.05.24
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
7
FIN
27.04.24
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
0
1
FIN
23.04.24
![Vålerenga Vålerenga](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/valerenga-3.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
Visitante
11.06.24
![Øvrevoll Hosle Øvrevoll Hosle](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/ovrevoll-hosle.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
7
FIN
08.06.24
![Røa Røa](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/roa.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
0
FIN
25.05.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
1
FIN
15.05.24
![Lillestrøm Lillestrøm](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lillestrom-2.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
04.05.24
![Lyn Lyn](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/lyn-10.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
7
FIN
23.04.24
![Vålerenga Vålerenga](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/valerenga-3.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
2
FIN
20.04.24
![Arna-Bjørnar Arna-Bjørnar](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/arna-bjornar.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
2
FIN
13.04.24
![Rosenborg Rosenborg](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/trondheims-orn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
1
0
FIN
18.03.24
![Vålerenga Vålerenga](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/valerenga-3.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
3
1
FIN
13.02.24
![Rosenborg Rosenborg](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/trondheims-orn.png)
![Stabæk Stabæk](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/stabaek-3.png)
0
0
FIN
* Los últimos 10 partidos de Stabæk en general y como visitante.